Belajar heli secara Hemat

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Belajar heli secara Hemat

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Kalo pengen lebih pesat perkembangan skill dan juga tidak mengeluarkan anggaran yg tdk perlu, tipsnya kira2 sbb (pengalaman pribadi):

1. beli langsung Tx digital 2,4GHz yg 7 ch keatas (investasi biar besok2 kalo pengen main engin udah ngak perlu upgrade Tx lagi, dalam hal ini DX7 adalah yg terbaik menurutku)

2. beli simulator yg ok (saranku beli yg 4 in 1 karena udah ada 4 simulator dalam satu cd dan yg terbaik menurutku adalah realflight G3.5 karena ada fitur visual trainingnya yg dapat memperkaya manuver2 kita)

3. dua bulan pertama jangan dulu beli heli apa2, belajar disimulator dulu, lancarkan hover tail in, side in, nose in dan piro dalam posisi biasa juga pada posisi invert pada kondisi angin 0 mph maupun 5 mph, juga belajar mendaratkan heli pada titik yg kita mau.

4. kalo udah lancar semua gerakan tersebut dan heli sudah bisa dibikin anteng, langsung beli heli kelas 450 + digital servo + HH gyro + batt 30C ato Kelas 500 dan bersiaplah untuk gemetar dan mengalami adrenalin rush yg amat sangat membuat kita ketagihan tersebut.

5. untuk terbang perdana harus didampingi pilot senior agar kita tahu pre flight cek yg harus dilakukan, safety yg harus diperhatikan, cara seting heli maupun tx dan apa yg harus kita antisipasi dari heli tersebut.

6. untuk mengakselerasi skill terbang kita, terbang di simulator minimal 10 mnt/hari, login ke forum diskusi aeromodeling dan banyaklah bertanya (tapi browsing dulu forumnya supaya kita ngak menanyakan pertanyaan yg udah ditanyakan sebelumnya. Tapi walaupun kita melakukan itu, biasanya para senior2 di forum tersebut akan dengan sangat sabar memberikan kita link ke thread yg membahas pertanyaan kita tadi), rajin liat2 video terbang para suhu2 gaero maupun dunia di internet, minimal 2 minggu sekali terbang dan kumpul2 bareng komunitas aeromodeling setempat utk menyerap ilmu manuver dan seting (baik heli maupun Tx), tetapkan manuver target

Mohon dilengkapi oleh para suhu2 Gaero...
semoga membantu.... :D
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Re: Belajar heli secara Hemat

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Kalo Trex 450 kayaknya masih mahal, baik dari segi resiko dan biaya crashnya...
Kalo saya saranin pake Hirobo Quark SRB aja, kayaknya lebih murah.. lagian kalo crash tinggal plug & play aja... ngga usah pusing setting2 swash lagi... Yang jelas lebih tidak beresiko kecelakaan... soal gerakan cyclic Quark ngga jauh beda kok dengan Trex 450.. asal jangan dipake 3D loh.. (karena Quark ngga bisa 3D) :bow:
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hehehe... makasih atas saran dan masukannya Om AA....
ada tambahan yg lain lagi dari para Grager, supaya teman2 kita yg baru kenal dunia aeromodeling khususnya heli dapat terbantukan dan terhindari dari biaya yg ngak perlu....
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Buetul Om Adnan & Om AA.., saya belajar heli langsung pake BCP, tanpa didampingi siapapun (jangankan pilot senior, pilot junior pun nggak ada), tanpa pernah goyangin gimbal TX simulator aeromodelling. Modalnya pernah lihat gambar orang terbangin model di TV, imajinasi, serta nyali (He he, nekat ya... [-( [-( [-( ). Buka kardus paket, assembling ritual versi ngawur, dll...
Alhasil : Belum terbang langsung GUBRAKKKKKK.. #-o #-o #-o Heli miring, motong rumput di halaman rumah. Hik hik, mirip crash-nya Super Puma di Pondok Cabe. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Mental jadi drop..., nyesel nyemplung di dunia HIGH COST SPORT.

Tapi nggak brenti sampe situ.., direpairlah itu BCP. Coba lagi, ancur lagi. Repair, coba lagi, ancur lagi. Ahhhhhhhh..!!! Sampe ganti mainshaft 3x, spindle 5x, maingear 4x, tailboom 3x, servo 3 biji, entah juga berapa pasang blade, serta part yg lain. Progress prestasi g ada. Yang semakin besar adalah nyali untuk crash dan g perlu kepala nyut2 kalo habis ngrusakin heli. :D :D :D

Suatu ketika datanglah sebuah pencerahan :ym58 :suns: , dapat kenalan seorang rekan dari GAERO, dirujuk untuk belajar di Gaero supaya bisa MINIMALIS REALISTIS. TOP MARKOTOP...

Ayo sumbangkan saran-sarannya, supaya pengalaman buruk seperti sy tidak terulang pada calon-calon pilot heli yg lain..!!!
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pengalamanku pertama kali beli heli (belt cp full metal carbon), karena udah kebelet dan PD yg over dosis karena di simulator udah bisa hover invert segala posisi, aku langsung sambungin tu batre ke colokannya, al hasil rotor head langsung mutar dgn kecepatan tinggi, dan saking paniknya aku langsung tangkap main rotor hubnya hasilnya = Spindel, mainshaft, maingear, tail rotor pulley shaft, tail shaft, main blade, tail blade, paddle, flybar kena semua plus tangan baret2 kena paddle. hal ini terjadi karena posisi throttle tdk dikebawahkan sampe mentok dan tidak dalam pengawasan pilor senior. coba kalo dalam pengawasan pilot senior pada saat maiden, pasti hal tersebut tdk akan terjadi...
itulah cerita horor saya waktu mulai ketagihan hobby ini
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thanks for sharing, sangat bermanfaat buat yang mau memulai hoby rotary wing, hiby ini bukan mainan,... ingat!
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"T-Rex 450SE V2 are not toys. R/C helicopter utilize various high-tech products and technologies to provide superior performance. Improper use of this hobby can result in SERIOUS INJURY or even DEATH"
begitulah kata manualnya dan semua merk (dalam hal ini aku ambil contoh t450 SE V2) walaupun pengkalimatannya agak berbeda tapi maksud dan intinya adalah sama. harus belajar dulu dengan cara yg benar dan bertahap dulu sebelum mengoperasikan heli/pesawat tersebut. Kalo ngeyel, bisa luka serius tao bahkan Mo dhar/mati/ko it/is death/pisah jiwa dgn raga....
makanya baca manualnya dulu (jangan kaya saya, bacanya cuma setengah-setengah)
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buat para suhu Grage sekalian, minta tolong sumbang dan sarannya agar para pemula dapat menekuni hobby ini dengan lebih efisien dan peningkatan skillnya lebih cepat.
Terima Kasih sebelumnya...
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Para suhu belom pada turun gunung Om tunggu aja ya!!! :muach:
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Quote Little Rotor :

Which helicopter?
What should I buy? You should buy a Raptor 50. When the T-Rex 600 Nitro comes out, that MIGHT be worth looking at too.


Globally, there are lots of good helicopters to choose from. It all depends on mainly how much you want to spend and how easy it is to get support

When you're looking to buy a helicopter, you've got to take into account a number of things. Some of these are:

How much it costs.
Obviously important in any purchasing decision.

What support exists for it.
Who is the dealer for this particular model? What's their reputation like?

How much do the parts cost?
Eventually you're going crash. How much is it going to cost to put the machine together again? How quickly are the parts available?

Local knowledge.
It's always a good idea to get a helicopter that others at your field are familiar with. That way when you have problems, they'll be able to assist you.

Build quality.
What's this helicopter's reputation? Does it fit with the kind of flying style you see yourself doing in the future?

There are different sizes of helicopter too. The size relates to the size of the engine in the helicopter. We'll discuss these now:

Small Electrics (T-Rex, Honeybee, Hornet etc)
Everyone who is new to helicopters thinks these would be a great thing to get started on because they’re ‘cheap’ and small and you can buy them in toy stores. They’re in actual fact, a terrible way to get started in helicopters!

The problem is they’re too small and generally the larger the helicopter, the easier they are to fly. Also, the cheaper ones are generally not put together very well which means they’ll fail a lot or do unpredictable things which when you’re learning you just don’t need. Plus for the more expensive ones like T-Rexes, you can spend as much getting a T-Rex going as you would a Raptor 50.

Don’t get me wrong, little electrics can be awesome fun once you’ve learned how to fly, but don’t try and get started on one.

30 Size (Raptor 30, JR Venture 30, Hirobo Sceadu 30 etc)
Back in the old days of 2001 when I started flying, 30’s were relatively common place. A 30 is about as small a nitro powered helicopter as you can get.

30’s are usually powered by OS 32’s and 37’s or Thunder Tiger engines. Usually they run about 550mm blades. They’re usually pretty cheap to repair depending on the model.

But, I still wouldn’t recommend you buy one for your first model.

The reasons are:

- You can grow out of a 30 very quickly once you move into forward flight.

- The costs of repairing a 50 are not much more (often the same) as a 30.

- It can be expensive to upgrade a 30 to a 50.

50 Size (Raptor 50, JR Airskipper 50, Hirobo Sceadu 50 etc) Now these machines are where it’s at. Everyone needs a 50 in their hangar because they’re so much fun to fly! Basically they’re not much bigger than a 30 but with a LOT more power and they don’t cost much more to setup and fix.

A 50 can be setup to be a docile learning machine and then later on turn into a radical 3D beast.

The great thing about 50’s is you don’t grow out of them, I still love flying them and sometimes I even prefer playing with 50’s to 90’s because there’s less stress and mental effort involved with a 50.

I absolutely recommend getting a 50 to get started on.

50’s are most commonly powered by OS 50’s and Thunder Tiger 50’s.

90 Size (Raptor 90, JR Vibe, MA Stratus, Hirobo Freya, Synergy N9 etc)
The 90’s are the big boys on campus. Much bigger than a 50, they’re significantly more expensive to setup and fix. However, you get a lot of grunt! A 90 uses up a lot of sky as they climb harder, go faster and accelerate very quickly.

You’ll notice straight away how much ground 90’s will cover in a short space of time and in most cases, how much easier they are to fly than smaller helis because they’re much bigger.

Generally people buy 90’s once they’ve come to grips with flying a smaller helicopter, however if you’re not worried about spending money it’s not unheard of (but it’s still pretty rare) for some people to learn to fly on 90’s.

Petrol (Gassers) powered (MA Spectra, JR Voyager etc)
These are 90 sized machines with petrol engines in them (nomally Zenoah G23 variants).

Gassers are great because they are just SO cheap to run. You would be lucky to use $5 of petrol during a whole day of flying, whereas you’ll burn through $5 worth of nitro fuel each flight on a 90.

The other cool party trick of a gasser is the flight time they get on each tank of gas. A nitro powered 90 will generally burn 500mls in 10 minutes, 500mls in a gasser can last you 30 minutes or more!

The downside to gassers is that they are heavy and generally underpowered, however if all you’re doing is generally flying with smooth aerobatics then you’ll have no problems.

Gassers however make brilliant scale machines because they make no smoke, have and have a tonne of torque. If you think you’re going to get into large scale models, then a gasser could be for you.

Gassers are also the helicopter of choice for those who are doing aerial photography, once again because they emit no smoke, very cheap to run, and they’ll run for a lot longer than 10 minutes on a tank of gas.

Turbines
Turbine power plants have really come along in the last few years, now you can get much more power with must less fuel consumption from an engine that is much smaller than the equivalent power plant from three years ago.

However they’re still very expensive to purchase, but they have great cool factor. They’re the ultimate platform for scale, nothing beats the sound and smell of a turbine howling away.

For aerobatics, there’s a couple of machines around that will do proper aerobatics. I’ve flown the Jetcopter which is a helicopter I’d never recommend to anyone and I’ve also flown the Robbe Cuatro turbine conversion marketed by Turbine Technics which is a great machine, if I were to ever own a turbine, it’d be one of these.

Summary
Make your first helicopter a Raptor 50. You’ll be able to learn to hover on it as well as do severe 3D when it comes time to. You can find parts for these all over the world and they’re the best value for money heli around.

Buy a Raptor 50 and move on from there if you want to. Do not buy a small electric like a Honeybee etc thinking you'll be able to learn well on one of those, it will just frustrate you. Buy the Raptor.
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